News And Links For Atheists: Chrispher Hitchens VS Frank Turek

VIDEO: Debate: Christopher Hitchens vs. Frank Turek

VIDEO: Sam Harris vs. William Lane Craig – Does Good Come From God?

The Science of Why We Don’t Believe Science

The Two Kinds Of Belief: Why infants reason better than adults

Proof that religious wording isn’t “secular” or “benign”

When nonreligious Americans object to the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, or to “In God We Trust” as the national motto, we often hear opponents claim that the wording is harmless, secular in purpose, and that nobody interprets the words as being a religious affirmation of any kind. Sometimes the excuse given is that such wording merely “acknowledges the nation’s religious heritage.”

Of course, just about every society has some kind of religious heritage, but even if we find it desirable to “acknowledge” America’s religious heritage one could question why we must do so by affirmatively stating that God actually exists. After all, America also has a strong secular heritage – many of our founders were quite anti-clerical, some rejected Christianity and supernatural religion outright, and certainly many of them were far outside the framework of traditional religion. Thus, would we “acknowledge” that secular heritage by affirming in our national Pledge and motto that there is no God?

Here’s a series of articles on Psychology Today where a couple of experts end up debating one another at the same web site.

When The Going Gets Tough, The Atheists Go Praying

Atheism is a luxury of the well-to-do and the comfortable.

This shouldn’t earn the author any hate mail.

Rebutting more outlandish statements about atheists

…Raghunathan’s article provides his personal opinions without going through the pesky exercise of providing supporting evidence. He declares that atheism is “a luxury” that results from having a “comfortable life.” Because atheism seems most prominent in the developed world where people rarely have to worry about their next meal, Raghunathan speculates, we can conclude that material comfort gives rise to atheism.

Gasp! Sick’em, David Niose.

Is Atheism Just Another Faith?

My recent post has attracted considerably more attention than I expected–over 150 comments (at last count) and even a repartee by David Niose. Although I am sorry that my post was offensive to some atheists (and I apologize for that), I am happy that we are at least having this debate. If it is at all conceivable, believe me when I say that my intention is not to insult anyone.

Before I address some of the objections to my thesis–that even hardcore atheists will start praying to God under a sufficiently high level of stress–I would like to state that I am not really a believer in God. More precisely, I do not believe in the kind of God that is typically depicted in most religions, as a somewhat egotistical and even vengeful entity. I should also state that, like most atheists, I believe that religion has overall been a more divisive and harmful force than it has been a unifying and beneficial one. If forced to pick a category to which I belong, I would pick agnostic rather than “believer.” In other words, I am really more closely aligned to atheists than I am to the religious.

That said, I would like to now offer my responses to the five major categories of comments/criticisms that my post generated:

You’ll have to go to the link to see the rest of his response. A similar exchange on Psychology Today can be found here.

P.S. … Today my wife and I celebrate our wedding anniversary. An atheist and a Jehovah’s Witness, and we’ve been married sixteen years. Not too crappy.

(Warning: Cruel And Inane Humor To Follow) The 5 Kinds Of Elder Who Drove You Out Of The Kingdom Hall

We ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses are, of course, pure evil.1 Just ask one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They’ll tell ya.2 Yeah, we lurk the Earth, hiding under their beds, whispering dark thoughts, like, “You don’t need to go out in field service today.” Or, “Maybe the Governing Body really is full of shit.” Or even, “Maybe you should buy that new P. Diddy album. Nobody’ll know, right?”3 Darn us all. You’d think we’d have jobs to go to or lives to get on with.4 Maybe the horns growing out of our heads force us on the Welfare, so we have all kinds of free time.5 Still, why are we so mean?6 I mean, those poor Witnesses never pick on us or demonize us in any way. Right?7 Or course not. Because that would be hypocritically effed up.8 Well, people at The World’s Totally Jealous of How Awesome Jehovah’s Witnesses Are, Inc., have finally come up with a solution.9 And it’s a shocker.10

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  1. Yep. It’s true.
  2. Don’t take it personally. They’re simply worried about you, as a person.
  3. Or even, “Maybe I’ll finally watch an episode of Mork and Mindy, despite the fact they’re living together without being married throughout most of the series.”
  4. Wait. We don’t?!?
  5. I spend mine writing shit like this. When I’m not surfing the web for porn, that is.
  6. Hey, those horns hurt. We gotta take it out on somebody.
  7. Does a bear wipe its ass with a rabbit when it craps in the woods?
  8. There. That makes up for all the other naughty words you’ll be encountering in this post.
  9. Two words: road trip!
  10. What generation change? Silly apostate. New light is for kids.

Screw The Podcast: Here’s A PDF Of My Essay Instead

podcastAfter plugging away on my little essay for some time now, I had hoped to turn it into a podcast that readers could download and listen to. I had even hoped to enlist one or two other ex-Witnesses to help read a few of the parts. (I asked Moxie about that a while ago via email, though I never heard back from her.) But even with a USB connector, it seems I can’t get decent sound with my cardiod microphones anymore. There’s too much hiss, and using hiss reduction creates too many audible artifacts. So…

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Crap. And I was hoping to do a few of these in a series. I’m feeling cheap these days, too, so I don’t know that I’d care to get another microphone just yet.

For now, it seems you must settle for a PDF of my essay, which can be found here. Spread it far and wide, my friends. Complain about it. Etc. It comes complete with illustrations and links, plus a few comments from Austin Cline’s atheism web site.

Some day, I’d actually like to create a book with contributions from others. I’d probably end up giving it away as a PDF. But still, I was hoping to turn it into something like books written by the Daily Show’s staff, only for ex-Witnesses. (I’m talking about those books with Jon Stewart from Comedy Central’s Daily Show.) Maybe it’ll still happen. Ya never know.



News And Links For Atheists: Bad Apologetic Evangelism

VIDEO: Bad Apologetic Evangelism: The Video

To say that this video is bad is putting it mildly. I’m not even sure what the exact point of her argument is. If the atheist is a 5 year old, it might shake them up a bit. Otherwise, it just seems very condescending and sad. If she had gone just little bit farther, it would have been a funny as hell. Please, someone, poke fun at this video. I guarantee you a link as soon as I hear about it.

VIDEO: Pre-Blessed Food

This one is intentionally funny.

VIDEO: Glenn Beck: “I haven’t seen a half-monkey, half-person yet”

Glenn Beck is always hilarious. I think the title says it all, though.

VIDEO: The Poetry of Science: Neil deGrasse Tyson & Richard Dawkins

This one’s pretty cool as far as discussions go. (It’s not a debate.) Tyson pretty much dominates the event.

The thing about these two is that Tyson represents an aspect of irreligion in a way that I actually favor over Dawkins. Yet Dawkins is able to get a message out there through the media by being controversial, even though he also cheeses a lot of people off in the process. I suspect many people only think of Tyson as a scientist with a lot of charisma. I’m not even sure if he’s an atheist or not. When it comes to the question of how one should approach spreading secularism and atheism, what’s an outspoken atheist to do?

Dawkins vs. Timonen

You may remember the flap over the richarddawkins.net forums that happened early this year. Peter Harrison was one of the moderators who felt hard done. At the center of the controversy was a man named Josh Timonen, who ran the official website. It’s apparent that Richard Dawkins trusted him and allowed him free reign.

When in doubt, shout – why shaking someone’s beliefs turns them into stronger advocates

A good thing to keep in mind. Not only for outspoken atheists, but evangelicals at well. I’m looking at you, my in-laws!

Christopher Hitchens: ‘My life is my writing … my children come later’

Morals Without God?

Perhaps it is just me, but I am wary of anyone whose belief system is the only thing standing between them and repulsive behavior. Why not assume that our humanity, including the self-control needed for livable societies, is built into us? Does anyone truly believe that our ancestors lacked social norms before they had religion? Did they never assist others in need, or complain about an unfair deal? Humans must have worried about the functioning of their communities well before the current religions arose, which is only a few thousand years ago. Not that religion is irrelevant — I will get to this — but it is an add-on rather than the wellspring of morality.

Damn right.

Michael Behe’s son has a surprise

What Do New Atheists Actually Believe?

If you feel like being offended and rolling your eyes in frustration, go to the link. You can even offer your own answers to the questions the site poses to atheists, which might make you feel better. If you want to feel better sooner, go here.

Jon Stewart’s Rally to Restore Sanity draws atheist group

‘Evangelical Atheists:’ Pushing For What?

Last Friday, a New York Times headline declared: “Atheists Debate How Pushy to Be.” This ongoing debate among atheists — “Just how much should we confront the religious?” — is nowhere near resolution.

Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

Believers don’t know belief

This one is really about the pole mentioned in the previous one.